09-13:17> <Shiro> do you hate me
09-13:23> <Alynna> hate is a strong word
09-13:23> <Alynna> I just cannot fucking believe you did it again
09-13:24> <Alynna> your word is worth shit
09-13:24> <Shiro> then what do i do
09-13:25> <Alynna> I don't know.  The last time was bad enough but for fucks sake, I and lots of other people forgave you
09-13:25> <Shiro> well
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09-13:25> <Alynna> We thought you had learned something...
09-13:25> <Shiro> well the second time
09-13:26> <Shiro> i really thought they were gonna do it accurate
09-13:26> <Shiro> they do the article word for word review
09-13:26> <Shiro> i approve
09-13:26> <Shiro> and then, behold
09-13:26> <Shiro> the picture surprise
09-13:26> <Alynna> Now even if you say OMG i'll never do it again I swear, who the fuck is gonna believe you.
09-13:27> <Alynna> I won't.   I pretty much just accept the fact that you're a media whore and probably gunning for your own reality show
09-13:27> <Shiro> but that isn't me.
09-13:27> <Shiro> and for what it's worth
09-13:27> <Shiro> i declined a reality show already
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09-13:28> <Alynna> Yes it is, you had the chance to prove yourself differently.  After the last time you should have known better than to do this...
09-13:28> <Alynna> Yes it is, you had the chance to prove yourself differently.  After the last time you should have known better than to do this...
09-13:28> <Shiro> but i didnt
09-13:28> <Alynna> Why do you think noone else does this?
09-13:28> <Alynna> but people TOLD YOU
09-13:28> <Shiro> well
09-13:28> <Shiro> i thought they were wrong tbh
09-13:28> <Alynna> You were warned, you did the TV show...
09-13:29> <Alynna> they fucked you.  We got all pissed off about it..
09-13:29> <Alynna> because you tried to represent us...
09-13:29> <Alynna> but then we forgave you, at least I did..
09-13:30> <Shiro> i just dont want you to hate me
09-13:30> <Alynna> and others did, we thought you learned your lesson about it
09-13:32> <Alynna> but then you did it again
09-13:32> <Alynna> how can you ever expect to be trusted again, you betrayed us all, twice
09-13:32> <Shiro> well my intention wasn't to.
09-13:33> <Shiro> i just wanted a positive article.
09-13:33> <Alynna> that doesn't matter what you intended, especially the second time
09-13:33> <Shiro> gah
09-13:33> <Alynna> the media just uses people to get ratings
09-13:33> <Alynna> we all already knew this
09-13:33> <Alynna> theres been plenty of articles, plenty of shows
09-13:33> <Shiro> why won't they do it right?
09-13:33> <Alynna> because right doesn't get ratings
09-13:34> <Alynna> what made you think it'd be any different for you?
09-13:34> <Shiro> i just thought it would
09-13:34> <Alynna> you were wrong twice, and you are deserving of the derision and ridicule of others
09-13:35> <Alynna> you were warned by everyone
09-13:35> <Alynna> you even had the benefit of experience the first time
09-13:35> <Alynna> you should really give up on the whole idea of being a community representative for a very long time
09-13:36> <Alynna> shutdown your irc, your website, and disappear, maybe into the furry community
09-13:36> <Alynna> because noone is ever going to take you seriously, ever again.
09-13:37> <Alynna> maybe in 10 years you might be able to be reaccepted into the community as a fellow therian
09-13:37> <Alynna> but right now, it doesn't even matter if you're a wolf or not
09-13:37> <Alynna> you've made an ass of yourself and of everyone who shares that label with you
09-13:38> <Shiro> i am not shutdown the website
09-13:38> <Alynna> you go ahead and do whatever you want to do.
09-13:38> <Shiro> the irc is already gone
09-13:38> <Alynna> I'm just giving you my recommendation
09-13:39> <Alynna> as long as it looks like you're trying to 'lead' people will think you learned nothing
09-13:39> <Alynna> and you think it will all just blow over..
09-13:39> <Alynna> like the politician caught in a corruption scandal and doesn't have the common fucking dignity to step down
09-13:39> <Alynna> I don't think you have any remorse
09-13:40> <Shiro> I'm not closing the site, it is useful to people.
09-13:40> <Alynna> and that makes me certain that you will do this again
09-13:40> <Shiro> i am going on hiadus everywhere else, though
09-13:40> <Shiro> and i do have remorse
09-13:40> <Shiro> i just wish peple would realize what my intent was
09-13:40> <Alynna> And we told you that intent doesn't matter here
09-13:40> <Alynna> The only thing that matters is how they portray us
09-13:41> <Alynna> and how you've enabled that
09-13:41> <Alynna> this is more damaging to you than you think
09-13:41> <Alynna> this will affect your future job prospects
09-13:41> <Alynna> fuck people just have to google your name
09-13:42> <Alynna> you've stamped LOSER in all caps on your head
09-13:43> <Alynna> at your age you think you're invincible, 15 years from now you'll find that you've basically ruined your own life here
09-13:43> <Alynna> and the worst part about it is you've alienated everyone who gave a shit about you, including me.
09-13:44> <Shiro> i didn't mean to betray you
09-13:44> <Alynna> your apology would mean nothing now.
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09-13:46> <Alynna> your apology would mean nothing now.
09-13:46> <Shiro> i really didn't..
09-13:46> <Alynna> you've already apologized once, and we accepted it.  This isn't just a small thing.  
09-13:46> <Alynna> It affects the whole community
09-13:46> <Shiro> i'm serious though.
09-13:47> <Shiro> i thought maybe everyone was wrong
09-13:47> <Alynna> Why do you think that matters?
09-13:47> <Shiro> because sometimes, that does happen.
09-13:47> <Shiro> but i was wrong
09-13:47> <Alynna> usually when everyone is telling you something, its born from experiences of others.
09-13:47> <Shiro> honestly, i viewed it as an attack
09-13:47> <Alynna> I've been in this community for longer than you have lived.
09-13:48> <Alynna> And I have never seen media contact end well for anyone who has tried.
09-13:48> <Shiro> tbh
09-13:48> <Shiro> i wouldn't of PMed you if it didn't matter to me.
09-13:49> <Alynna> I know, and I know reconcilation matters to you right now, but right now, you can't have it.  Somehow there needs to be consequences this time.
09-13:49> <Shiro> I don't want to lose you as a friend.
09-13:50> <Alynna> I don't know.  But i'm not gonna sit on your network and seriously you should get out of leading *anything*.
09-13:51> <Alynna> and sit around for a few years and learn what it means to be therian
09-13:51> <Shiro> Mmy network is dead.
09-13:51> <Alynna> and dont give me any shit about you KNOWING
09-13:51> <Shiro> I nixed it about an hour ago
09-13:51> <Alynna> all you know is yer a wolf.
09-13:51> <Alynna> i'll BRB
09-13:51> <Shiro> WH is up because people use it, and I'm not going to shut it down abruptly.
09-13:51> <Shiro> not because I claim to know anything
09-13:54> <Alynna> back
09-13:55> <Alynna> frankly if it were my sole decision you'd be banned from everything I had the power to ban you from
09-13:55> <Alynna> not because I hate you, but because you are a danger to this community
09-13:55> <Shiro> I want to fix that though
09-13:56> <Alynna> by doing what?  Going to the media again saying OMG YER WRONG
09-13:56> <Shiro> no
09-13:57> <Alynna> people weren't attacking you by saying 'dont do these shows and interviews'
09-13:57> <Alynna> they were handing you the benefit of experience you DO NOT HAVE
09-13:57> <Shiro> everything is an attack, in my mind, that is the problem
09-13:57> <Alynna> its typical teenager behaviour to think that
09-13:58> <Shiro> ugh
09-13:58> <Alynna> you need 10 years of growing up before you should even THINK about running your own therian website
09-13:58> <Alynna> you ugh as if I wasn't a teenager once and don't remember how I thought when I was 18
09-13:59> <Shiro> what's done is done, i can't shut down a site that people are actively using
09-13:59> <Alynna> you can put a redirect page up to someplace else, tho I have no recommendations as to where
09-13:59> <Alynna> but you, get out of leadership.
09-14:00> <Alynna> yer simply not ready
09-14:00> <Shiro> I will continue to operate the site, not in a direct leadership role.
09-14:00> <Alynna> no, I will think about what can be done.  Really its time to advance a new forum someplace
09-14:01> <Shiro> i'm just gonna stay on wh for a while
09-14:01> <Alynna> maybe you could be a moderator there, I don't know yet.  I don't think you're a poser, and I don't think your mind is totally devoid of legitimate understanding of therianthropy
09-14:01> <Shiro> nobody really wants me elsewhere.
09-14:02> <Shiro> i mean it's understandable why they don't.
09-14:02> <Alynna> but I think you are horribly misguided and incredibly immature
09-14:02> <Alynna> am I like the only person who talks to you about these things on this level?
09-14:03> <Shiro> yes honestly
09-14:03> <Shiro> savage has, to a minimal degree
09-14:03> <Shiro> but that's about it
09-14:03> <Alynna> that tries to illustrate your mistakes?  Well I guess you need a fox mentor.  question is do I really want to take this on, and in the end would you listen to me anyway...
09-14:04> <Shiro> i mean, i want to, but
09-14:05> <Shiro> i don't think you'll believe me
09-14:05> <Alynna> probably not yet.
09-14:06> <Shiro> i mean as far as mentors go
09-14:06> <Shiro> i have sam
09-14:06> <Shiro> who will not speak of otherkin to me
09-14:06> <Shiro> cos he thinks the concept is retarded or w/e
09-14:07> <Alynna> well then what do he think you are?
09-14:08> <Wolf> he is my friend
09-14:08> <Wolf> he thinks i'm just a perosn
09-14:08> <Wolf> and that otherkin is rediculouys
09-14:11> <Wolf> e.e
09-14:12> <Wolf> gah
09-14:14> <Alynna> you're a wolf
09-14:14> <Alynna> if you're mentor cannot accept that..
09-14:14> <Wolf> he's my mentor for 'other things'
09-14:14> <Alynna> oh.. well.
09-14:14> <Wolf> coding
09-14:21> <Alynna> at the moment I don't know what to do.   Let me think on all this
09-14:21> <Wolf> sorry if im too much trouble for you or w/e
09-14:23> <Alynna> you could be, to be honest
09-14:23> <Alynna> most of the rest of the community is just keeping you around for the lulz
09-14:23> * Wolf sighs
09-14:24> <Alynna> and if I decide to mentor you i'm really putting my tails on the line
09-14:25> <Wolf> well it's up to you i guess
09-14:50> <Wolf> i am sorry
09-14:50> <Wolf> even if this is empty to you
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