Naia — Today at 4:11 PM
i've been referred.... twice now
[4:11 PM]
two interviews
[4:11 PM]
both over 100k

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:11 PM
well i'm still working at Viasat but I'm entertaining offers that will net me more $ at this point.
[4:12 PM]
I'm also out as trans to my family in GA now

Naia — Today at 4:12 PM
i will never return to GA.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:12 PM
can't blame you lol
[4:12 PM]
I live in Denver for reasons

Naia — Today at 4:12 PM
aly asked me to move in

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:12 PM
I expected that.
[4:13 PM]
you two still hate me?

Naia — Today at 4:13 PM
no
[4:13 PM]
faith called here
[4:13 PM]
after we stopped talking
[4:13 PM]
and accused aly of shit
[4:13 PM]
that's the straw that broke the cammel's back
[4:13 PM]
little did she know

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:13 PM
I will tell her to stop talking to you

Naia — Today at 4:13 PM
when she called my phone, aly was next to me
[4:13 PM]
and started recording it
[4:13 PM]
oh, there's no need
[4:13 PM]
i have evidence of her insanity now
[4:14 PM]
she tries ANYTHING
[4:14 PM]
i baker act them both
[4:14 PM]
i'm fuckin done

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:14 PM
after all this, you have any regret at all on how you treated me the entire time?

Naia — Today at 4:14 PM
faith has ruined an otherwise good person, and it is a damn shame, but the damage has been done.
[4:15 PM]
yes; I should have been honest that I had no romantic feelings
[4:15 PM]
and remained friends

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:15 PM
ok.  that too bad but it is what it is.
[4:15 PM]
i stopped caring

Naia — Today at 4:16 PM
as far as i am concerned
[4:16 PM]
if luka fucking washes her hands of faith, she can SLOWLY, try to EARN my friendship
[4:16 PM]
otherwise, she can piss off too
[4:16 PM]
the message I wrote was much nicer than what I wanted to say

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:16 PM
i don't see that happening.

Naia — Today at 4:16 PM
alexis does.
[4:16 PM]
just not in the near future
[4:16 PM]
but i don't care

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:17 PM
they're gonna be peas and carrots if you know what i mean.   Well I don't see it from this side.

Naia — Today at 4:17 PM
i told alexis not to talk to me about luka

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:17 PM
and you probably shouldn't care

Naia — Today at 4:17 PM
it's just a shame
[4:17 PM]
luka was decent until faith

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:17 PM
it will be better for your emotional state.

Naia — Today at 4:17 PM
alexis can keep trying
[4:17 PM]
but I am no longer involved

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:19 PM
well, i'mma say this, i'll remain friends, you want to try again with me in the future, I am willing to try again, but i'm never gonna be a go-between for you and x again, no matter what.

Naia — Today at 4:19 PM
I want to be a friend only

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:19 PM
ok

Naia — Today at 4:19 PM
I want NOTHING TO DO with Luka.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:20 PM
well at least that much is resolved

Naia — Today at 4:20 PM
The ONLY REASON I gave her an opening
[4:20 PM]
is because of who she used to be
[4:20 PM]
but she hasn't been that person in a long time
[4:20 PM]
and if she returns to being that person, it will be a long time
[4:20 PM]
and that opening does not include faith
[4:20 PM]
so as long as she communicates w/ faith, she is banned from my life

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:21 PM
anyway, I understand where you are coming from and i don't need to be told over and over.  I understand.   I have my own hurt to deal with.
[4:23 PM]
you know just cause i'm near 45 doesn't mean I can't be hurt.  That's not something that just goes away as one gets older.   anyway.. I have a business to run and shit, soo.   If you want to unblock me from things and make me part of like, kinmunity again and stuff... open to that too.
[4:24 PM]
otherwise i think i'll just stop talking for now.

Naia — Today at 4:25 PM
I treated you how I should have treated Luka.
[4:25 PM]
That's between us
[4:25 PM]
She has become trash. I'm sorry but it it's what it uscc

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:25 PM
nods

Naia — Today at 4:26 PM
Shes been that way even when I was with her again the last time. I just wanted to see her good side, but she was already rotten.
[4:27 PM]
If Alexis can do magic in time like she thinks, whatever. Luka will never be my nesting partner again. Partner sure.
[4:27 PM]
If she fucking detatches
[4:27 PM]
Otherwise she's dead to me

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:28 PM
still platonic for me.  I have to wonder.  What turns you off about me?

Naia — Today at 4:28 PM
Her illness isn't interfering anymore. It's become her.
[4:29 PM]
How yoy approach polyamory is a big ons

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:30 PM
ahh.  its the thing where I try to form families out of them and not harems.

Naia — Today at 4:30 PM
No.
[4:30 PM]
It's the idea you feel entitled to partners partners
[4:30 PM]
I practice all ways consent.
[4:30 PM]
And consent denial is an acceptable thing

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:32 PM
i didn't feel entitled to anyone in particular.  But I do feel that consent is between the two people involved and another person, even in the same polycule, shouldn't deny consent.
[4:33 PM]
because that is just downright possessive, and it prevents the polycule from becoming a true unit.
[4:33 PM]
if everyone is attached through the polycule through a single person...  that's no longer a family.
[4:34 PM]
I suppose as a wolf, that's probably all you can understand, because of the alpha/beta dynamic..
[4:34 PM]
Its not that way for foxes.

Naia — Today at 4:35 PM
Aly didn't want you.
[4:35 PM]
That's the point you're missing.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:35 PM
which would have been fine if that came from her at any point.
[4:36 PM]
but you declared it.

Naia — Today at 4:36 PM
It did.
[4:36 PM]
Multiple times.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:36 PM
she didn't tell ME that.

Naia — Today at 4:36 PM
She did not wish to be in a hotel with you. We've talked about it.
[4:36 PM]
She felt it sketchy.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:36 PM
nothing was given a chance to grow into anything.

Naia — Today at 4:36 PM
She wasn't interested.
[4:36 PM]
One due to age.
[4:37 PM]
Two due to behavior

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:37 PM
again, she only told you that stuff.

Naia — Today at 4:37 PM
And her other partners

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:37 PM
well fine then, whatever.  Then it wasn't going to work out.
[4:38 PM]
so the dynamic is, not even tell me herself.
[4:38 PM]
make it so you have to lay down the law..
[4:38 PM]
or whatever..
[4:39 PM]
toxic shit.
[4:39 PM]
It doesn't matter anymore.
[4:40 PM]
all I know is that she should have been able to talk to me about it.
[4:40 PM]
directly.
[4:41 PM]
If it was going to be a disconnected polycule I wouldn't have wanted it anyway

Naia — Today at 4:43 PM
I don't want raz
[4:43 PM]
Just Aly.
[4:43 PM]
I don't Ike men
[4:43 PM]
This is a perfectly OK arrangement

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:43 PM
its weird to me.  I'm glad it works for you, but just ... weird to me.
[4:44 PM]
but maybe thats just a fox thing

Naia — Today at 4:44 PM


Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:44 PM
You are more wolf than anything, nothing wrong with being a wolf and having the alpha/beta/omega dynamic.
[4:45 PM]
just doesn't work for one that is as much fox as I am.   If you want to look at fox family dynamics there is google..
[4:45 PM]
but yea
[4:46 PM]
we are not sluts as you and the furry fandom seem to think.  We just build families out of our partnerships.(edited)
[4:47 PM]
let me know if you want to unblock me from.. well anything in your life, facebook, discord, etc
[4:48 PM]
I am going for now to hang out in my fox place.

Naia — Today at 4:53 PM
I'll unblock.
[4:53 PM]
Throughout your time at KM, you did nothing as admin.
[4:53 PM]
It is also now legally owned by my company.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:54 PM
its fine, I don't have time anymore anyway, whatever you want to do

Naia — Today at 4:54 PM
Do you have time to be friends

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:55 PM
sure.  as long as we're actually friends...

Naia — Today at 4:55 PM
I have no other intrnt
[4:55 PM]
Intent
[4:55 PM]
I'm done with Luka so

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:55 PM
That helps alot

Naia — Today at 4:55 PM
Aly suggested I cut all ties to her
[4:56 PM]
And even if she leaves faith, she only gets one single thin chance as a friend and lower rank partner if she proves worthwhile friend
[4:56 PM]
And relays aren't needed cos
[4:56 PM]
I'm not interested in trying. She needs to make the move
[4:56 PM]
So yeah.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 4:57 PM
i mean i will admit I still have feelings for you but I couldn't be like, a mate, with the way you structure things like that.  The feelings will always be there, but .. yeah.  As I have said.
[4:58 PM]
I will always try to form a family out of the things I am part of cause its my instinct, and if I should not, it is better for me to not be part at all.
[4:58 PM]
You'll always be loved but I am accustomed to that being one-directional in my life.  You aren't the first.(edited)
[4:59 PM]
I wish I was like, half my age now
[5:00 PM]
had no control over when I was born
[5:00 PM]
i am just as much a woman as any other

Naia — Today at 5:02 PM
It has nothing to do with that
[5:02 PM]
Aly and I are both trans

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:02 PM
I know.
[5:02 PM]
very much.
[5:02 PM]
you both are lovely.
[5:02 PM]
i not so much(edited)
[5:03 PM]
its understandable
[5:03 PM]
why i would not be desired
[5:04 PM]
i may weep about it but I do udnerstand.
[5:04 PM]
i am never gonna be as cute as I should have been

Naia — Today at 5:05 PM
It isn't that either
[5:06 PM]
Attraction isn't a logical equation.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:07 PM
i don't think the reason matters anymore.  I loved, and now I have to stop, and that is so hard I don't even know how to do it.

Naia — Today at 5:07 PM
If physical attraction mattered, why would I have dated Faith?

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:08 PM
Its worse because I see the potential of the Naia I fell in love with in the first place, coming back...

Naia — Today at 5:08 PM
I love Aly.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:08 PM
and i'm not going to be able to have any of it.
[5:08 PM]
i know you do

Naia — Today at 5:08 PM
And, that's it, isn't it?
[5:08 PM]
The Luka I love cannot exist with Faith.
[5:08 PM]
I realize that now.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:08 PM
none of this has anything to do with Luka
[5:09 PM]
it only has to do with who and what you have now.

Naia — Today at 5:09 PM
I am not responsible for your feelings on me.
[5:09 PM]
You know that, right?

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:09 PM
I know.
[5:09 PM]
yes.
[5:09 PM]
if love made any sense, I would run away.

Naia — Today at 5:09 PM
It isn't physical attraction.
[5:09 PM]
Faith has always looked like a meth head.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:11 PM
I should run, I ran before, and I had peace, moments of internal peace.
[5:11 PM]
because I don't really know why I should love you.   I don't know what hooked ny heart anymore.

Naia — Today at 5:12 PM
I wish we could be friends and just that
[5:12 PM]
so badly.
[5:12 PM]
and not have to suffer this

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:12 PM
I think I need more time...

Naia — Today at 5:12 PM
that's what you fail to understand
[5:12 PM]
i have ALWAYS wanted to be your friend
[5:12 PM]
without the pressure of the other stuff

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:13 PM
i fell in love with you, and I don't know why.   If I am truly honest with both of us, you are not worthy of me.

Naia — Today at 5:13 PM
hahaha

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:13 PM
that is the logical conclusion

Naia — Today at 5:13 PM
it's the other way around, actually

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:13 PM
that's not the heart conclusion.

Naia — Today at 5:14 PM
but i'm TRYING to be nice
[5:14 PM]
because I do want to be friends

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:14 PM
I want to be friends too,
[5:14 PM]
I want to somehow keep that.

Naia — Today at 5:14 PM
alynna
[5:14 PM]
you are a girl, a fox, but a girl
[5:14 PM]
you are not special beyond anyone else i am friends with
[5:14 PM]
it's not about who is worthy of what
[5:14 PM]
we do not click that way
[5:14 PM]
i do not see you that way
[5:15 PM]
just leave it at that
[5:15 PM]
means nothing on your or my value
[5:15 PM]
if it makes you feel better about me not seeing you that way to inflate your self importance, continue to do so, by all means
[5:15 PM]
but don't insult me to my face

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:15 PM
alright.  I apologize for saying that.

Naia — Today at 5:16 PM
to be fair
[5:16 PM]
people who are 'highly desirable' objectively , i don't see that way

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:17 PM
I do have things that I have done that are important and remain important.

Naia — Today at 5:18 PM
same?

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:18 PM
just because they aren't broadcasted for the entire internet to see
[5:18 PM]
doesn't mean they do not exist

Naia — Today at 5:18 PM
i couldn't care less abut hte meme
[5:18 PM]
what i am doing now, to me
[5:18 PM]
is more worthwile

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:19 PM
this is not about the meme, it is about this whole idea about you believing I am not worthy of you.   in this case I don't even care about the feelings.
[5:19 PM]
clearly you do not believe I measure up in some way
[5:20 PM]
fame would just be a disruption in my path

Naia — Today at 5:20 PM
heh
[5:20 PM]
i don't care about fame

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:21 PM
then explain this "I am not worthy of you thing", what way
[5:22 PM]
I want your high logic on that

Naia — Today at 5:24 PM
honestly?
[5:24 PM]
I know more about you than you want me to.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:24 PM
what do you know?(edited)

Naia — Today at 5:25 PM
you've committed abused
[5:25 PM]
abuses

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:25 PM
what have I succeeded at, what have I failed at?
[5:25 PM]
where?
[5:25 PM]
who?

Naia — Today at 5:25 PM
past relationships

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:26 PM
with who?

Naia — Today at 5:26 PM
no need for a fishing expedition

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:26 PM
then you're just throwing shit out there.  Cold reading,.

Naia — Today at 5:26 PM
no
[5:26 PM]
specifically, you have manipulated young people
[5:26 PM]
not minors mind you

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:27 PM
manipulated?
[5:27 PM]
yeah, I do not allow minors on any of my stuff
[5:27 PM]
you probably already know that.
[5:28 PM]
I don't want to be in the position of having someone lie about their age to get in and then find out they claim to be abused later
[5:29 PM]
if I find out anyone is a minor I tell them they are banned till their 18th birthday.   Because I don't want to hurt them.  But I don't want them to be present in an adult area either.   I do not want them to be exposed to things they are not ready for.
[5:30 PM]
so lets hear this manipulated thing.  Get specific, or you're just cold reading to me.
[5:32 PM]
I will talk to anyone in my communities as if they are an adult because to be there, they are supposed to BE an adult.

Naia — Today at 5:32 PM
ok

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:32 PM
i'm sorry if this is called manipulation.
[5:32 PM]
I am 44 and talk like a gen-xer

Naia — Today at 5:33 PM
no
[5:33 PM]
the issue is
[5:33 PM]
you are 44

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:33 PM
there is no intent to manipulate anyone

Naia — Today at 5:33 PM
and you habitually try to get with people in their late teens and 20s

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:33 PM
I do not.

Naia — Today at 5:33 PM
me and aly arent your only transgressions

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:33 PM
lol
[5:34 PM]
if you call trying to be with the two of you "transgressions" when you are both adults who have the power in your life to make your own decisions, I don't know where to go with that.
[5:35 PM]
if you are calling having feelings for you, "wrong" then I only have a "WTF" here.
[5:35 PM]
Once one is an adult and can make decisions for themselves, that is no longer a factor in my feelings.
[5:36 PM]
who the person is, inside, is

Naia — Today at 5:36 PM
jarin.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:36 PM
if they are 20 or 60, I don't care

Naia — Today at 5:36 PM
and if you contact him, i will cease all comms
[5:36 PM]
re: this

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:36 PM
I don't talk to Jarin
[5:37 PM]
Jarin and his asshole brother have burned more bridges with me then even you have managed to.
[5:39 PM]
but do understand this.  Demisexual.  Once one is an adult, not gender, not age, not appearance, not anything external.   I fell in love with the Naia who would protect her whole pack, who was sweet and kind with all of hers. The only considerations was who you were, how you treated people, how you treated me.
[5:41 PM]
20 years old or 70 even... 80.   Why should I judge someone on their age as long as they are an adult who are living a life that they are the decider of its path?(edited)
[5:41 PM]
REALLY.   Is this what you think you have on me?   Run with it then.
[5:42 PM]
You will someday be 44.
[5:42 PM]
hopefully.
[5:43 PM]
you want people to fucking reject you over that alone?(edited)

Naia — Today at 5:43 PM
if they're 20 and I am 44, yes.

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 5:43 PM
ok then, umm wow.
[5:43 PM]
you won't feel that way when practically the entire otherkin and therian community is that age
[5:44 PM]
and there's literally noone else to talk to about these things
[5:44 PM]
I guess you won't understand until you get there.
[5:45 PM]
maybe it will be different then.   I try to FIND communities with older kin
[5:46 PM]
I can't even talk to most of them because they are too young for me.   I don't even really consider it until I see they are at least 20, not even 18/19 is in my interest
[5:46 PM]
they need at least a few years of being an adult under their belt so there is something at all to talk about
[5:48 PM]
i don't try to get into a relationship with everyone I meet or joins my community (cause if I did i'd have more partners than Solomon lol).   But if someone expresses interest in me and they are an adult, i'm not going to deny them, to hurt them right out of the gate, the opportunity to even get to know me closer, just because they are in their 20s.
[5:49 PM]
if it works out, then it does, if it does not, then we're still friends, but i'm not going to just say, well you're 22 and i'm 44 so fuck off
[5:50 PM]
that's just cruel to people
[5:50 PM]
so fucking try again
[5:50 PM]
you got to do better than this if you're looking for callout material
[5:52 PM]
tbh Jarin claimed to be an adult in the 90s so he better damn well be one now.
[5:53 PM]
Jarin is his own fucking problem sits and idles in every otherkin community, acting like a fucking otherkin logging bot
[5:53 PM]
thinks he has to run everything and be a community elder or some shit
[5:54 PM]
I await your next attack.
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[5:56 PM]
tbh when I first fell in love with Jarin, I was like 20 years old
[5:56 PM]
so have fun with that shit
[5:56 PM]
have fun with it
[5:58 PM]
come on now Naia, do your research.  I am sure you and your leet hacker partner can do a deep enough dive to actually find something you can twist to look like an actual problematic thing
[5:59 PM]
this lack of response is boring me.   I assume a deeper dive is in progress.  Good luck 
[6:00 PM]
cause I know my nose is clean.   
[6:03 PM]
you can't do a deep enough dive to find anything that you can use as a callout on me.   As for me, if I wanted to destroy you, rather than try to salvage some kind of friendship, just the contents of this discord chat would be enough...
[6:09 PM]
I can only hope that rather than doing some deep dive trying to find a way to destroy me, you are instead spending this time thinking about how you view relationships and packs and the things that are just plain wrong with it.

Naia — Today at 6:25 PM
She hates me

Alynna Trypnotk — Today at 6:43 PM
Jarin?
[6:44 PM]
then why the fuck would you invoke them against me as if I abused them?   If anything, they abused me, I was the one who was no older than 20 at the time, ready to move in with them
[6:45 PM]
that was fucking 1999/2000....
[6:46 PM]
ok I was 23
[6:46 PM]
still
[6:46 PM]
why would you even do that
[6:48 PM]
the thought of my relationship with jarin makes me want to walk in front of a bus
[6:48 PM]
you have no idea what went down there and you aren't finding out, noone is...
[6:52 PM]
do you really think you know ANYTHING ABOUT ME?(edited)
[6:53 PM]
The stuff you are stating only indicates that you are just fucking guessing and hoping you get a hit based on people we have interaction in common